Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, the Sathar conncetion

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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 4:38am
First admission I have never read this module though I am aware of it.

Saw these images from the module and thought they suggested sathar to me, the robots with tentacles and the obviously sathar bio-engineered bunny






Has anyone ever adapted Expedition to the Barrier peaks to Star Frontiers?
Would you? Could you?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 4:39am
Is this robot worth conversion to SF?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 4:42am
It seems to me that there would be an element of "Prime Directive" for the PCs:

ship has crashed on planet with primitives and it and all traces of technology must be removed- the primitives running around with laser guns also have to be dealt with.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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rattraveller
October 6, 2017 - 5:37am
Remembering the iconic SF picture of the PCs encountering a primtive tribe and trading with them with one of the primitives eating the item they were trading with them. This and considering that Megacorps would not care about exploiting primitives I do not think that storyline would work, However:

A research ship has crashed and the owning Megacorp sends in the PCs to recover the research. Complications arise because the research involved bioengineered life forms, some of which are sapient. Also rival Megacorp troubleshooter teams and free lance salvage teams are challenging the PCs to recover the research and Star Law is looking into the crash because maybe that research was not exactly legal.

Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Shadow Shack
October 6, 2017 - 7:05am
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Has anyone ever adapted Expedition to the Barrier peaks to Star Frontiers?

The irony of this is back when I was a young lad and SF just came out, I used the S3 module as a connection between SF and D&D. Yazirians with Vorpal Swords and Elves with lazer gunz, it was some wholesome munchkin goodness. ;)

Looking back, a lot of the tech didn't match up with SF. While the ship was a traditional decks perpendicular/KH deck plan (module was penned long before the KH expansion set or SF for that matter), there was a lot of anti-grave tech, androids, and other things that didn't appear in SF while the weapons were quite low tech by comparison.
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 9:07am
rattraveller wrote:
Remembering the iconic SF picture of the PCs encountering a primtive tribe and trading with them with one of the primitives eating the item they were trading with them. This and considering that Megacorps would not care about exploiting primitives I do not think that storyline would work, However:

A research ship has crashed and the owning Megacorp sends in the PCs to recover the research. Complications arise because the research involved bioengineered life forms, some of which are sapient. Also rival Megacorp troubleshooter teams and free lance salvage teams are challenging the PCs to recover the research and Star Law is looking into the crash because maybe that research was not exactly legal.


I like it, add in a complication of the primitives making off with stuff the the PCs inevitably need to get their hands on.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
October 6, 2017 - 6:22pm
Here's an example of how odd the weaponry was:


The blasters were archaic, but the lasers were awkward and unwieldy to the point of ridiculously asinine. That weird contortionist wrist stance coupled with squeeezing the handle would make these the most inaccurate weapons ever designed.
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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rattraveller
October 6, 2017 - 9:00pm
BTW if you need a copy it is available as a PDF on Drivethrurpg.com

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17065/S3-Expedition-to-the-Barrier-Peaks-1e?term=expedition+to+the+&test_epoch=0&it=1
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
October 7, 2017 - 3:23am
Shadow Shack wrote:
Here's an example of how odd the weaponry was:


The blasters were archaic, but the lasers were awkward and unwieldy to the point of ridiculously asinine. That weird contortionist wrist stance coupled with squeeezing the handle would make these the most inaccurate weapons ever designed.

That would be true for individuals with human and probably yazirian anatomy. But not so much for Dralasite or Sathar anatomy. 
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
October 7, 2017 - 4:00am
I've been thinking about this robot.

It says in the equipment section that a robot gets 1 unarmed melee attack per arm leg pair which is the same for characters.

However, this robot has an "altered movement" mode and in the illustrations it appear he has 4 sets of "altered" legs if you ruled this way he would get 4 melee attacks at 2d10 per "arm"

I also remember something someone posted about the wiring of the sathar brain- with two eyes, with two pupils that all work independently the wiring between the hemispheres of the sathar brain must be really something. What if the sathar paterned the robotic processors after their own understanding of their own brains? that in sathar robots there are actually dual or even quad processors working both independently and in tandem in much the same way their eyes work?

This would facilitate 4 attacks by a sathar robot with 4 limbs almost irregardless of whether they had four legs. Just call it a special case despite the statement in the rules. Also nature of the way the sathar set up the processor of their robots gives them a special ability that even after the robot is destroyed (we'll assume that one of the processors was destroyed) the second reboots after a breif pause and can act with limited effectiveness: treat the robot as 1/2 its level for skill and attack dice rolls, 1/2 all activities- cut number of attacks in half, cut movement in half, maybe -20 to all attacks?

Sort of like the terminator robooting despite the beating he took and still trying to terminate his target despite the damage taken. In this case the robot would be treated as having 1 STA? or 1d10 STA

a standard robot body has 100 STA so lets say that you blow away one of these bots with 200 STA it will not reboot. but if you only "destroy" it with say 113 STA of damage then there is a 87% it reboots in 1d5 combat rounds. If it was "destroyed" with 151 points of damage then there is only a 49% chance it will reboot and ect. The difference between damage done and double the starting stamina is the percentage chance for reboot. Once a robot reboots one time and is destroyed a second time its done- no further reboots and we can assume both processors are destroyed.

This makes them much more dangerous and gives them a little surprise for the players.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
October 7, 2017 - 7:58am
jedion357 wrote:
Shadow Shack wrote:
the lasers were awkward and unwieldy to the point of ridiculously asinine. That weird contortionist wrist stance coupled with squeeezing the handle would make these the most inaccurate weapons ever designed.

That would be true for individuals with human and probably yazirian anatomy. But not so much for Dralasite or Sathar anatomy. 

Therein lies the problem: the module was written for characters with human (and demi-human) anatomy. Even the skeletal remains from which these guns were plucked had human-ish anatomy.



No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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Shadow Shack
October 7, 2017 - 8:15am
FWIW the module specs for the 'bot in question:

Police Robot
AC: -1
HD: 10 (60 hit points standard)
Movement: anti-grav @ 18" (24" emergency speed)
Attack: 1/round
Damage: varies

Built in language translators & atmospheric analysis sensors

Attack methods:
> 2 subdual tentacles 6' in length @ 18/00 strength
> 2 standard arms that strike at 3d4 damage
> cranial mount laser pistol (powered by main power supply)
> storage capacity for six grenades (3 sleep gas, 1 poison, 1 explosive, 1 incindiary)
> torso mount paralysis pistol (w/power disc)
> tractor/pressor beam that can pull or push up to 300 pounds (as a telekinesis spell) 


No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

My SF website

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JCab747
October 7, 2017 - 12:38pm
Shadow Shack wrote:
Here's an example of how odd the weaponry was:


The blasters were archaic, but the lasers were awkward and unwieldy to the point of ridiculously asinine. That weird contortionist wrist stance coupled with squeeezing the handle would make these the most inaccurate weapons ever designed.


Maybe the weapons were designed by Yazarians. They have an extra knuckle, I think.
Joe Cabadas

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Shadow Shack
October 7, 2017 - 2:01pm
An extra knuckle wouldn't make any difference, it's still an awkward tug in conjunction with the resulting forearm muscle movement which the cuff is affixed, all of which serves to throw the aim off. Seriously, put your arm & hand in that position and you'll see what I mean.

It's not even comfortable for more than a few seconds.
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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Tchklinxa
October 8, 2017 - 11:57am
I was fiddling with this did a critter conversion from the ship... and was thinking on ways to adapt the whole ship. 

There are options... I considered the possability it crashed on the Yazarian HW and that is how they got the tech to get off the planet latter. If you go with Y HW then some assumed HW critters could actually come from other planets and thus lead to issues for the T higharchy latter... or could have been collect from Y HW and are the only surviving living samples as they went extint long before HW destroyed..

Other options it is found drifting in space or on a world with an outpost colony. 

The life forms are from all over the gallaxy so some could be Sathar origin if you want, plus you could expand the ship and add more rooms of doom. 

In the background story a couple things it went through a blackhole, after the ship was broken into seperate sections in a vain attempt to stop a plague... the crew died of the plague but not the lifeforms in their contained environments... after years of the automated systems caring for the critters things go wrong, critters escape... this gives you all some other options. Blue Plague could be from this ship live samples of the virus could be in a medical section and PCs or a critter could get exposed and spread it... or you could go with a new disease too.

You could completely change the life forms in charge too... so if you want Sathar all androids become Sathar androids for example. Want a race similiar but different to SF but SF race could pass for you could do that too.

I do like the idea of the Sathar Robots. The ship is old. 

It is adaptable... 

Android options could include PCs being scanned at some point and the ship automatically generating androids that look like their races, but of course these androids will try to kill the PCs.


 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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JCab747
October 8, 2017 - 2:21pm
Shadow Shack wrote:
jedion357 wrote:
Shadow Shack wrote:
the lasers were awkward and unwieldy to the point of ridiculously asinine. That weird contortionist wrist stance coupled with squeeezing the handle would make these the most inaccurate weapons ever designed.

That would be true for individuals with human and probably yazirian anatomy. But not so much for Dralasite or Sathar anatomy. 

Therein lies the problem: the module was written for characters with human (and demi-human) anatomy. Even the skeletal remains from which these guns were plucked had human-ish anatomy.





That's easy to explain.

These are the remains of a Sathar slave race. Like the Bill Logan-created Bora-Kai NPC race from Star Frontiersman magazine.
Joe Cabadas

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Tchklinxa
October 8, 2017 - 4:11pm
Slave race would work...
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Shadow Shack
October 8, 2017 - 5:36pm
The problem isn't how the race came to be, the issue is those laser guns are not appropriate for that anatomy. Everything else works anatomically speaking except for the two laser guns.
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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jedion357
October 8, 2017 - 9:29pm
we are talking adaption so things that dont make sense can be tossed out the air lock
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Tchklinxa
October 9, 2017 - 10:40am
I agree you change what does not work... for how you want use the module. I should probably keep converting critters from it and fun gizmos. It really is a cool little section of a much larger ship... which then causes me to muse on what the rest of the ship could be like. This ship I think is another Grand Lady ship which TSR folks tended to invision back then.
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Shadow Shack
October 9, 2017 - 12:00pm
Technically speaking from a D&D standpoint: the lasers would be fired in a similar fashion as a crossbow. The problem, once again, is the crossbow was steadied with the other hand and the crossbow didn't have a wrist cuff that would throw the aim off while squeezing the trigger mechanism...instead the back portion would be steadied against the shoulder or under the arm much like a modern rifle stock.

I agree with "changing what you want for how the module is to be used", I just didn't have the inclination to whip up new illustrations for the lasers when I ran the module in my D&D games. Besides, you could never get new power discs for them anyways. ;)


No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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Tchklinxa
October 9, 2017 - 12:23pm
yes the power disk... but I like the idea of old sci fi tech that requires specialty energy sources for example... it is very unlikely Sathar energy sources would work in Federation guns for example.
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."