Entertainment as History

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jedion357
April 3, 2017 - 10:20am
I don't know how many times Ive seen Patton over the years but every time I see a real photograph of Patton I have to stop and make a mental adjustment because to me George C Scott IS Patton.

And Patton the movie probably does a better job than most conveying history. But I wonder what will be "history" for Millennials? The Matrix?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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JCab747
April 3, 2017 - 10:56am
God help us if it's the Matrix... or most of the other slew of "historical" movies that have come out in the last 30 years.
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Shadow Shack
April 3, 2017 - 6:34pm
jedion357 wrote:
But I wonder what will be "history" for Millennials?

Invented.
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jedion357
April 4, 2017 - 4:26am
JCab747 wrote:
God help us if it's the Matrix... or most of the other slew of "historical" movies that have come out in the last 30 years.


Amen.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
April 4, 2017 - 4:29am
I did a ministry internship back in the 90's and one of the other interns was telling me that a guy he was talking to asserted in all seriousness that his concept of god was basicly what was portrayed in Stargate (the movie). Basically: "That movie was cool, so that's what i believe." I think he might have been 2nd or 3rd cousin to Shadow Shacks infamous "Dude men"
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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KRingway
April 9, 2017 - 9:17am
Films usually don't do a very good job of history. After all, they're adding drama to what is already a form of drama, but can't resist adding another layer. So, apparently, Scott's portrayal of Patton is a bit overdone and makes him seem more rough and ready than he actually was (Patton apparently also had a rather high-pictched voice). Films are a form of entertainment, unless they go out of their way to approach their subject matter from a different perspective. So, the film 'Come And See' is probably making a better job at portraying aspects of history than, say, 'Patton'.

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jedion357
April 11, 2017 - 3:55am
KRingway wrote:
Films usually don't do a very good job of history. After all, they're adding drama to what is already a form of drama, but can't resist adding another layer. So, apparently, Scott's portrayal of Patton is a bit overdone and makes him seem more rough and ready than he actually was (Patton apparently also had a rather high-pictched voice). Films are a form of entertainment, unless they go out of their way to approach their subject matter from a different perspective. So, the film 'Come And See' is probably making a better job at portraying aspects of history than, say, 'Patton'.


I do believe I've heard a recording of Patton's voice which is actually my point, for me Scott is Patton even though I know better. It really requires a mental shift when I see an actual photograph of Patton to recognize him. In fact 20 years ago I was reading a memoir by Patton and in my head guess who's voice I was hearing?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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ExileInParadise
April 11, 2017 - 7:47pm
In the future, there will be two churches, eternally warring:

The Church of Trek vs. The Acolytes of the Force.

The Church of Trek, founded in 1966, embodies IDIC, Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

The Acolytes of the Force founded in 1977 but drawing heavily on a Sacred Tome released in 1965, know they are One with the Force, and the Force is With Them.

Deciannual debatecathalons are held to release the pent up fury of these disagreeing believers.

Several categories of debate are held:
Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer
Enterprise vs. Death Star
Defiant vs. Millenium Falcon
Kirk vs. Vader
Picard vs. Vader

Within the Church of Trek is an Eternal Schism of Kirk vs. Picard.

Within the Acolytes of the Force is an Eternal Schism of Jedi vs. Sith.

After The Cancellation, the Church of Trek faltered, then suffered setback after setback as the Acolytes of the Force first appeared and gained ground with the releases of their Holy Original Trilogy.

But, the Disciples of Berman kept the Church of Trek alive, never losing their core Faithful Consumers.

Then the Acolytes of the Force suffered the crushing self-inflicted humiliation known as the Jar Jar Menace, allowing the Church of Trek to regroup tand bring in many new younger followers with deep fan film cult programming, topped by the updated special effect touchups of the Original Masterworks.

Next came hope as a single Uniter of the Faiths appeared, who could bring The Great Reckoning by being the first Director of Rebooting to Reimagine both Sacred Universes, but this hope was short lived and, in fact led to The Greater Schism within the Church of Trek known as the JJVerse.

These 2 churches, with their exploitable schisms leaving them vulnerable to infinite distractions during debatecathalons created groups of factions warring with each other yet able to unite against the other factions in temporary alliances, as well as encouraging polytheists who claim to enjoy aspects of many schisms apparently simultaneously.

This balanced imbalance has resulted in the Great Geek Stasis which has locked all rational fan enjoyment out of conventions since the dawn of both churches and continues to this day.

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Shadow Shack
April 11, 2017 - 8:26pm
ExileInParadise wrote:
The Acolytes of the Force founded in 1977 but drawing heavily on a Sacred Tome released in 1965, know they are One with the Force, and the Force is With Them.

Actually it draws from a much more ancient tome dating back to 1936, that being the four-color books and black & white serials witnessed by the Fanatical Followers of Flash.
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jedion357
April 12, 2017 - 3:38am
ExileInParadise wrote:


This balanced imbalance has resulted in the Great Geek Stasis which has locked all rational fan enjoyment out of conventions since the dawn of both churches and continues to this day.


For me this picture settles the arguement, The Empire hates Santa, I'll go with with the Church of Trek



And it would seem that from this photographic evidence that the Empire has invaded and taken over a US Air Force Strategic Air Command base (SAC). Since there is no whisper of this in the media it is very troubling.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
April 12, 2017 - 6:04pm
Quote from Princess Bride may be appropriate here, 

Peter Faulk: "When I was your age television was called books."
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
April 12, 2017 - 6:25pm
The Church of Trek was also perverted by the great Galaxy Quest.

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JCab747
April 12, 2017 - 6:31pm
The Acolytes of the Force also had to fend off the apostasy of the dreaded Space Balls.
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jedion357
April 12, 2017 - 6:37pm
Devotees of Trek also had to deal with the betrayal of Shatner and the lampooning of their beloved Trek with Airplane 2.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
April 12, 2017 - 6:57pm
jedion357 wrote:
Devotees of Trek also had to deal with the betrayal of Shatner and the lampooning of their beloved Trek with Airplane 2.

Don't forget about Tek War and the spin-off Tek World.

There's just not enough brain bleach in the galaxy for the latter.
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Putraack
April 14, 2017 - 6:23am
Someone made a parody game a few years back, "Diana, Warrior Princess".

Imagine the 90s, as told by the writers of "Xena"? Yeah, it's like that. Evil Margaret Thatcher, "Wild Bill" Gates the cowboy, and so on.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana:_Warrior_Princess

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jedion357
April 14, 2017 - 7:41am
Putraack wrote:
Someone made a parody game a few years back, "Diana, Warrior Princess".

Imagine the 90s, as told by the writers of "Xena"? Yeah, it's like that. Evil Margaret Thatcher, "Wild Bill" Gates the cowboy, and so on.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana:_Warrior_Princess

Awesome!
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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ExileInParadise
April 16, 2017 - 1:26pm
Diana Warrior Princess reminds me discussions with a friend of mine where we jam movie titles together to get wrongness then try to imagine what the movie would be like:

Home Alone In The Dark - Bumbling Cthulhu Mythos creatures attempt to terrorize a boy home alone only to get tripped up by his clever spell casting...

John Carter of Mars Attacks - John Carter falls asleep in a cave only to awaken on Mars to find a fleet of saucers preparing to attack the earth. Slim Whitman guest stars.

Repo Men in Black - the sequel to the cult classic...

Wild Wild Westworld - Yul Brunner is a cyborg secret service agent

Monsters vs. Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem - WHAT?

Darkman City - Liam Neeson must fight his way through the underworld to get to Shell Beach.

You get the idea...

Now, in 1000 years, imagine THAT post-apocalyptic historical reconstruction.

We'd likely see a lot of the weirdness from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century TV show, like Ping Pool tables...


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jedion357
April 17, 2017 - 7:33am
I give three dralasite thumbs up for Yul Brenner: Cyborg Secret Agent. 
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
April 17, 2017 - 9:21pm
Except Dralasites do not have thumbs, they have pseudopods. ;)
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jedion357
April 18, 2017 - 4:43pm
"Brynner, Yul Brynner, agent 00110000 00110000 00110111 "
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!