Sathar Troop Discussion

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JCab747
March 16, 2019 - 11:56am
Update: Since I've submitted a story about Sathar vehicles to Frontier Explorer, I'll rededicate part of this discussion to looking at how Sathar troops are presented in the various TSR modules and any fan-created adventures that I've seen.

The picture below is from Starspawn of Volturnus... definitely a canon adventure. 


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March 16, 2019 - 11:57am
Or here's a close up


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JCab747
March 16, 2019 - 12:00pm
This appears to be a treadmobile with an articulated front end. It has one heavy weapon mount on the front, right side, and a second heavy weapon mount just behind the driver.

It can probably transport about a dozen Sathar soldiers who have the ability to fire their own weapons out the sides.

This vehicle is most likely a full tread version of the half-track transport. They are probably only lightly armored and certainly not something to use in a vacuum or poisonous atmosphere... at least, not without the troops wearing vacc suits.
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jedion357
March 17, 2019 - 6:16am
I would go with this being effectively the same vehicle. its simply a fully tracked version of the one we've been discussing elsewhere. good catch.


those sathar look like they are wearing a defensive suit.

I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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March 17, 2019 - 12:35pm
Submitted a Sathar vehicle story to Frontier Explorer!

Next in line is the story on Sathar robots.
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March 17, 2019 - 12:35pm
jedion357 wrote:

those sathar look like they are wearing a defensive suit.


Yes they do. 
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March 21, 2019 - 3:15pm
The Sathar boarding party from the "Assault on Starship Omicron" mini-module.

There are 10 Sathar that are part of the boarding party and they are supported by 8 Zuraqqor, two quickdeaths and one cybodragon. 

The Sathar's stats are pretty average for the race:

STR/STA 45/45, DEX/RS 40/40, INT/LOG 45/45, PER/LDR 45/65, IM 4

Their defenses include a military skeinsuit and an albedo screen. Each worm has a 50 SEU beltpack, probaby to power the defense screen, but it also has a laser rife with 20 SEU clip and 1 fragmentation grenade... I've wondered about why they would be armed with fragmentation grenades for a ship boarding operation. What about explosions in confined spaces such as in an airlock or small corridor? No worries about punching a hole in the hull or a window?

All the Sathar have Beam Weapons 2... not too skilled there.

Their base chance to-hit is 40% with the laser rifle and 20% with grenades.

Now, Sathar "A" has a computer skill, level 5. 

Sathar "B" had a tech skill of 3

Sathar "C" and "D" also carried a smoke grenade.

Sathar "F" had a medical skill of 5 and a medkit! So they do have medics.

The Sathar's Zuraqqor allies aren't much better off

The bugs' stats are
STR/STA 30/30, DEX/RS 60/60, INT/LOG 35/35, PER/LDR 30/30, IM 6

The Zurraqqor are not the strongest or brightest of races.

They wear military skeinsuits and heft around automatic rifles with 1 clip and one reloads.

I guess no worries about punching holes to the outside?

The Zuraqqor have Projectile Weapons 2 and a base chance to hit of 50 %

Zura. A is a Technician, lv. 5
Zura. B has Computers, lv. 4
Zura. F has Medical, lv. 5 with medkit

The cybodragon and quickdeaths are standard for their species.

One further note about the Zuraqqor is that they developed the Rogue Robot for another scenario where the Omicron's robots turn against the PCs.

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March 21, 2019 - 3:17pm
So, are the Sathar presented as the boarding party typical? They are better armored than, as we will see, the troops deployed to Volturnus, but are a bit weak on combat skills.

No hints are provided for role playing interaction with the Sathar. This is strictly a combat, takeover mission for the worms, unless the referee gets creative.
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March 21, 2019 - 3:19pm
Volturnus Planet of Mystery

The only Sathar present is the "tubed brain" that is controlling the monitoring station, which is a 20-meter tall metallic pyramid.

...more to come...

 
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March 21, 2019 - 4:35pm
The tubed brain controls the Sathar artifact on Volturnus.

The monitoring station incluydes a radio telescope, transmitter, and anti-aircraft laser set at 20 SEU and a 60% chance to hit.

The interior defenses remind one of a D&D dungeon crawl with traps and monsters.

There is one Sathar Attack Robot, which has 200 STA, two laser pistols and two grenades. Must be a rather old robot.

There is the endless rotating corridor, they 7 cyboslugs, a room where the doors close and the floor panels begin receding to expose a pit with three hungry quickdeaths...

Are these creatures routinely fed? Who or what removes any waste? Must be the Slavebots doing the work... Could the quickdeaths be kept in a stasis field and are released when some hapless soul enters the artifact? Has this event occurred sometime in the past?

Then we have ths slavebots -- the Eorna who had their brains removed and replaced by cybernetic controls. The slavebots are the hands and feet of the tubed brain.

there are some 9 active Eorna slavebots. There are cots in the slavebot quarters, so these creatures need rest? Food is also present, so obviously the slavebots need something to keep their biological systems working.

The Freezer Chamber, to me, should be especially creepy... if not larger.

This has the food for the quickdeaths... but, as noted earlier, these creatures could be kept in stasis until needed...

Then the freezer chamber has the frozen bodies of Eorna... raw materials for the slavebots...

How many bodies? How long does a slavebot's body last? Are the cybernetics from one slavebot transferred to the new body? What about wear and tear on the systems? Are new parts manufactured somewhere on site?

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March 21, 2019 - 4:10pm
I'd say the Freezer Chamber should be the entrance to a larger, underground bunker that might have hundreds of Eorna bodies in freeze fields... and maybe dozens or hundreds of empty spaces that would represent those bodies that were previously used and wore out... there wouldn't be any replacements...

Besided the nine active slavebots, maybe there is a conveyor system down here and spare parts.

As slavebots get blown away up top, the machinery in this room activates and starts prepping replacement slavebots unless the characters have damaged or destroyed the machinery here.
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March 21, 2019 - 4:14pm
The Sathar Brain is described as sitting in a huge flask in the center of a room. Tubes connect this flask to others about the room along with wires.

The "tubed brain" can summon any remaining slavebots but is helpless otherwise...

No personality is given for the brain, but doesn't this scene beg for some more development?

I would argue that it's a place for some roleplaying! (Unless the players do the wise thing and blow up the tubed brain right away).


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March 21, 2019 - 7:19pm
Starspawn of Volturnus

The Sathar army consists of at least 30,000 troops plus robots and other weapons.

Encounter one: 

(note, I am looking at a remastered copy of this encounter, so I am not sure it is 100% the same as the original)

The Sathar have the automatic cannon with 2 crew members

There are 18 Sathar soldiers, I guess two are the cannon's crew.

Stats:
STR/STA 40/40, DEX/RS 40/40 INT/LOG 45/45 PER/LDR 45/65 PS 2 IM 4 RW 20 M 20
"the crewmen are also armed with laser rifles with one full clip"

4 combat robots
2 warbots
2 cybots

Possible problem with the remastered module:  One page says the Sathar forces should include "1 robot brain counter and 2 Sathar counters"

The only reinforcements the Sathar receive are four new combat robots whenever all four combat robots on the board have been destroyed...

So, are there just 2 Sathar, not 18? No robot brain? Or should there be one...

Observations, the Sathar are heavily dependent on their robots in this encounter if there are only two of the worms present. These Sathar are rather under armed and under armored. But, they probably expected to be behind the lines.


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March 21, 2019 - 7:24pm
Starspawn Battle Two vs. the Edestekai.

The Sathar forces include 10 Sathar, 2 quickdeaths, 2 slithers

Sathar receive 5 new Sathar troops whenever 5 are killed.

Sathar Stats:

STR/STA 40/40, DEX/RS 40/40 INT/LOG 45/45 PER/LDR 45/65 PS 2 IM 4 RW 20 M 20

They have 1 laser rifle with 1 full clip... under armed yet again... though they have a chance to win by not losing all their troops in one turn.


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March 21, 2019 - 7:26pm
Starspawn battle vs. Eorna:

The Sathar have 10 troops, 1 cybodragon, 1 ground truck

Sathar Stats:

STR/STA 40/40, DEX/RS 40/40 INT/LOG 45/45 PER/LDR 45/65 PS 2 IM 4 RW 20 M 20

They have 1 laser rifle with 1 full clip...

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March 21, 2019 - 7:32pm
Starspawn battle vs. Ul-Mor

18 Sathar soldiers with the following stats:

STR/STA 40/40, DEX/RS 40/40 INT/LOG 45/45 PER/LDR 45/65 PS 2 IM 4 RW 20 M 20

Now these Sathar have Beam Weapons 2 and the ubiquos laser rifles with 1 clip... at least they know how to use them! The other Sathar apparently had a level of 0 when using their laser rifles.

The Sathar also have their special electric field defense that will cause 10d10 points of damage to anything that crosses the line... not too bad of a defense.
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March 21, 2019 - 7:36pm
Starspawn if the players lose the battles:

The Sathar send out patrols

1. 5 average Sathar with laser rifles
2. 10 average Sathar with laser rifles
3. 5 average Sather. 2 have laser rifles, 1 with gyrojet rifle, 2 with sonic disruptors and laser pistols.
4. 5 average Sathar with laser rifles plus one standard combat robot with laser rifle.
5. 10 average Sathar with laer rifles, plus one warbot with heavy laser and machine gun
6. 10 Sathar with laser rifles plus 1 cybodragon.


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March 21, 2019 - 7:38pm
The Sathar army of "Starspawn" appears to be composed of conscripts. 

They are very under armed, lacking melee weapons or grenades and lack any basic personal protection. Most of these Sathar seem to lack any skills to use the weapons they are equipped with!
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March 22, 2019 - 4:34am
JCab747 wrote:
Starspawn battle vs. Ul-Mor

18 Sathar soldiers with the following stats:

STR/STA 40/40, DEX/RS 40/40 INT/LOG 45/45 PER/LDR 45/65 PS 2 IM 4 RW 20 M 20

Now these Sathar have Beam Weapons 2 and the ubiquos laser rifles with 1 clip... at least they know how to use them! The other Sathar apparently had a level of 0 when using their laser rifles.

The Sathar also have their special electric field defense that will cause 10d10 points of damage to anything that crosses the line... not too bad of a defense.


I think its assumed that they can use them. Some of the pirate stats in Crash on Volturnus lack a mention of skills. but if the pirate shows up with shock gloves its assumed he can used them.
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March 22, 2019 - 7:12am
jedion357 wrote:

I think its assumed that they can use them. Some of the pirate stats in Crash on Volturnus lack a mention of skills. but if the pirate shows up with shock gloves its assumed he can used them.

True, but the referee looking at this module is going to say: "Well, so-and-so's Randed Weapon (RW) stat says this and the Melee stat (M) says that... in the case of the most of the Sathar soldiers it is RW 20, M 20.

So, they are going to have that score to-hit.

The Sathar here seem to be there to die. It makes me think of Weird Al's movie "UHF" which has a rip off of the Rambo movies. And, when Al shoots the enemies, there is a running body counter.

See the source image

 
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March 22, 2019 - 9:25am
had not realized the RW and MW scores were down around 20 that does suggest that they have no skills but then skills are not listed because a RW or MW score accounts for them if present. these are canon fodder troops which are no doubt transported in vats aboard sathar ships.
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March 22, 2019 - 2:13pm
jedion357 wrote:
had not realized the RW and MW scores were down around 20 that does suggest that they have no skills but then skills are not listed because a RW or MW score accounts for them if present. these are canon fodder troops which are no doubt transported in vats aboard sathar ships.
 

That would be my thought as well.

Maybe they need to prove their worth by surviving before they advanced up in training and get more equipment... or the TSR writers were just lazy...

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